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Episode 60 - Interview: Tony Gleeson, Illustrator, Author, Wise Young Soul

Interview: Tony Gleeson, Illustrator, Author, Wise Young Soul (robo transcription - to be corrected soon)

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Here we are! Welcome to Mouse and Weens everybody. I'm Mouse. I'm Weens. I'm Joelle. I'm Julianne. I'm the mom one. Yeah. I don't wanna keep labeling myself. I'm just an esoteric creature. I can't be labeled. I'm wild. I zing. I zang. those her anything of nothing new ooh like it. Do you know right yeah. Hey I'm in. La Are Awesome cottage enjoying your -til. Oh couch in your blue cool walls. She just painted her walls. Mom She painted walls painted that one accent wall that is the window wall and it's got a lime green back tent and then I decided to there's texture put the Blue Sky Blue you paint over the line thick and dripping down. It's got lots of heat it with my hands. Everything hands down with my hands and I also support extra drips instead of trying to get rid of the DRIPS. I accident addressing Alexei Candle dripping. It's really cool. You guys like it takes. Take forever has to paint it back which I hope does your landlord. No you did the same yet he does. He they all come in. You are right well. That is where we are sitting on the couch. The the wind is blowing outside. It's not a hundred and eighty degrees like Japan. We see the bamboo. You can't see anything. You're staring at a dorm. I see a nice blowy tree. It's very nice but but we had a nice morning this morning. We walk things. Nice is nicer than the coffee shops and you're gonna hear what we recorded. While you're there this Sunday morning coffee grew who I love. There are other interesting creative. Gold People Yeah Weans has little gang of friends and one of them being are good pal. Tony Gleeson he sent who is an artist illustrator and author He's been doing it for years as a successful human being in the world and we really like him. Who's very nice one of my favorites Tony so let's get into we're gonna meet Tony Gleeson here. We go see we are here with with our good friend. Tony Gleeson Tony Gleeson Masson Weans. Here's the mouse Lou. I'm the Wean on a sidewalk sidewalk in atwater village. It's it's a beautiful morning and we're meaning friends and I'm so excited to hear your story Tony. Oh well. I hope you're not too excited. I don't know how to disobey but he started off a poor white man. I did and I'm still a poor. I've come so far. Under what would you like to know. Tell me where you like me to begin interested in talking to me. Let's start with that. I think you're beautiful storyteller storyteller. I've heard some of your story about doing illustration. You worked with spike. Lee doing some of his. Mo Better Blues Posters. You're an illustrator straighter. You're an author. You're all around fascinating guy. Wow would you to fantastic well. I'm happy to tell you about that and story board artist which always artists Yup Yup comic book artist. I've been a new you name it. I've probably done it if it had anything graphic in it. how'd you get started. Wow Wow you know I I was one of those people who I I used to draw all the time when I was a kid and I used to write stories and stuff and like most people my parents would pat me on the head and my friends and my relatives pat me on the head and say well. That's very nice but what are you. GonNa do for a living that. It's practical you know and I would say well. I want to be an artist. They would say well. You can't do that and say what do you mean. I can't do that and said well. You can't make any money doing that. You know how why don't you just want. You find something better to do so they encouraged me too. You know scientist or I don't know whatever you know World Shaker whatever and I went to college and a did a whole bunch of stuff but I just never gave up wanting to be an artist so he kept working out and working at it and I went to a very good college for four years and then which is Georgetown and then at the end of four years I wanted to be. I still wanted to be an all straighter. Would you study I studied fine arts. I started there's a math major and that didn't work so I became a fine arts major and at the end of four years the head of my department said we'll send you couple people I know and we'll let you know what you need to do.

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If you really want to be an illustrator and he sent me to the guy who is the head the head creative director or at National Geographic in Washington. DC and this guy I mean I didn't realize that the time I'm this punk kid twenty years old and I'm I think you know I didn't realize voice was really busy and he took all this time with me as really generous. He had me command head. Michel has work my work and use use. It was always student work. What's this guy's name Michelle. His name was Joseph Tani and he is unfortunately gone onto the great beyond I mean this was was nineteen seventy-one so you know but what a wonderful guy he keeps he looked at my work and he very nicely said you're not ready and he says I think you need to go back to school so after four years of college and after getting a B. A. I came out here to L. A. And I went to Art Center College of design and I I studied illustration and advertising illustration design there for a few years until he ran out of money and then I went back to New York and I just threw who myself in and tried to find work and for years and years it was really hard but I just kept out and kept at it and kept at it little by little. I started getting work and I ended up coming. I'm back out here by now. I was married and my wife Anti Wonderful Lady. She is just said okay. I'll be a good sport about this. I'll move out to California with you. So it came out here and I opened my own studio. I started working and I had a number of years where every day just got up and I drove around town and I showed my work to people and I took knows for an answer and just kept doing it little by little. I started getting work so this is how you do it. Do it pound the pavement go do it. He's like a vacuum salesman. You pretty much very much. The same thing I was I might as well have been selling vacuums and Somebody told me if if you see a hundred people you'll get one job. You get one assignment and that's right. That's right so he said to me so oh you want one hundred jobs. You go see ten thousand people so this would it did and little by little I started getting work got some really wild work. in the late late seventies early eighties. I did a lot of I guess you'd call it. Soft core porn men's magazines and there is the tunnel work that in those days I hooked up with this one publisher who did all kinds of amazing things they published the Holloway how series of blaxploitation nation books and I did book covers for all these famous guys like iceberg slim. The Donald Goines Odie Hawkins who became great friends with listen. I'm sorry I am still friends with Odi. He is he's an amazing character he is he's. He's an author. He's an author is written over thirty seven seven books and I have done book covers for numerous numerous of his books. I used illustrate his articles for for men's men's magazine called players who which was a Maz- magazine for African American men for some reason. They hired me to do the illustrations in those days I just I mean whatever you could find line. Do you know and and I I found myself working with these people who were all very creative and very productive and they were doing the same thing I was there working for whoever would hire them so so we just did all sorts of under bill that we like authors and you were illustrating I worked with a lot of other artists who went on to do a lot of other things I worked with a lot of authors who went on to do a lot of very legitimate things what's one of those one of the people. I originally worked worked for was the was the art director for the magazine on his name was Paul Lynch and he went onto become a pretty well known a director of TV and film director and you is just working as an as an art director on those days and he liked my work served to give me a work and he's when you're doing book covers mainly. You're doing what kind of gigs okay I did suffer. I didn't know stations for the Los Angeles Times. I did illustrated's for all kinds of magazines did illustrations for I did did book covers. I did a lot of science fiction book covers for Doubleday for the Defense Fiction Book Club for a lot of local paperback companies over time time I found out I got hooked up with a guy who did a lot of work for movies and TV so I started doing a Lotta concept or a set of doing a lot of storyboarding in the eighties who was your favorite Gig of storyboarding and what does it mean for people who don't know what storyboarding is do you not storyboarding is is an interesting field because when when you make a movie a TV show a commercial anything that involves film you or video or things that move you have to lay it out. I of how it's GonNa look a story. Board is basically it almost looks like a comic book and what it is is.

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It's it's it's your entire blueprint for. How you're continuity is going to work in film. the directory is cinematographer uses uses it the director of photography is everybody uses it and what you do is you sit down and you plot out the way the motion of how the film is going to go. Why does friend. I was doing a lot of work for and one day. He called me up and he says look. I can't take his job. You need to go over and you need to story board this commercial for this guy. I Yeah I never done anything like this. In my life as I can't do that I don't know how to do that. He says he says they don't know you. Don't know how to do that is just they. I'm sending you there. They believe believe you know yourself. So you just go in and act like you know what you're doing and you'll you'll really enjoy it so I went over to the sound stage on highland avenue in the middle of Hollywood and I was working working for those big shot film and Commercial Director and I walk in and I'm getting paid this enormous warmest amount of money to me it seemed at the time enormous amount of money an hour to work there and he had me sit on the floor of the sound stage next to him with a pad and start blocking out how the commercial was GONNA go. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just drawing you know and and he's this British guy. He's a writer real high powered kind of guy you know and he keeps going let me see let me see what you've got. He Reaches Down Picks Up my pad and he goes. This is frigging brilliant absolutely fricken brilliant. He says this is this breaks every known rule of cinematography just your fucking genius and I go whoa I'm breaking the rules because I don't know the rules. You know I'm going okay. Okay okay. You know. Just keep doing what you're doing. This is work and you know and this is back. When people spent a whole lot of money to make these commercials I mean they had unlimited limited budgets so he ad like these beautiful young women walking around. We're bringing trays of food with people who are while we were working. You know that was their job was to come around and see if we needed anything and I'm sitting on the floor and the come over and they sit down next to me and the drape themselves over me and they go you show talented. Look at those drawings. I can't believe how do you do things like that. I wish I could draw like that. Would you like some more shrimp and I'm sitting here going. Wow this has arrived is heaven great job Yeah Yeah No. I mean how much better can this get your. They're paying me the dollars an hour to sit here and be told a great. AM and whatever I do go yeah. That's great you know in every now oh nanna would talk with somebody else who is working on this commercial and you know there'd be big producers or whatever coming in you don't mind if I say yeah you know and these these high powered producers come by and they're just talking to me like I'm one of the guys you know and I would make some stupid comment that I thought souvenir go yeah yeah. I think you're right about that now. The realizing this is all it's all about context it's all about confidence is smoke and mirrors yeah. You know it's like William. Goldman says nobody but he knows anything you know so. I haven't Stanley Kubrick said that after directing he goes. I'm waiting for someone to come up and SAM fraud. Even though he's you know already directed his first aren't sure exactly that's everybody's doing. We're all doing it you know and the people who can put up the best fronts are the ones who become successful. That's I you realize what the trick is. Is You show up and you act like you know what you do and you learn you learn while everybody thinks you know what you're doing until you actually do know so this colleague only give mine who had all these great jobs he would call me up about all these crazy. Things and I don't know I've never done that and again. He'd say they don't know that you know I'm I'm sending you over for this job. Just do it and I would go in and Yeah Yup. I have one of those from any Claro back in here. Wait just wondering we're talking about ink tattoos inadvertent tattoos that occur on the fingers of creative people and I I remember when this happened has happened in the nineties actually jabbed the a pen into my finger and it was sort of a do it yourself many tattoo and it's never gone way and as tattoos don't and it's it's just sort of a if this is a mark distinguishing mark. If I ever commit a felony somebody can say look for this guy. He's got a dot on his his his right index finger middle finger right middle finger mine is on my hand from Eddie Clara Jabbing a pencil into my hand Eddie Clara Third Grade Burke Felton. Do you remember that little jerk. I don't remember a bit of that. Tony Deserve. We've derailed talks ugh. Sorry I love being derailed. This is great if I had be derailed by anybody. WanNa be drilled by you guys. Tony's a Superfan of mountain means means aren't you. I am a Super Fan. I'm you you get the most interesting people and then you get to you. Just dig up people that you've interviewed a couple of people I know yeah and I had no idea I mean you pull stuff out of them that I had no idea they did.

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You know everybody's everybody's got a story right on the guy I walk down. The street that you think is just you know you might be the most fascinating person on the face of the year. You never know you never know absolutely no all the all the friends I just met. We're sitting here at a coffee shop with all these umbrellas and chairs and tables and yeah one guy just did a film and other guys an actor like no big deal just sitting around having coffee the and I love it. Musicians Kennedy's got. He's got a big following like he's kind of a big chick- Guy Kennedy you music video karate us just in Iraq. He was talking about being emotional yellen. Allow producing an album in Kurdistan data mine has everybody. We're all just people doing our job and and it is the smoking mirrors. Here's thing due to get back to what you're talking about. I love that. What a great piece of advice for anybody trying to do anything creative? You know even starting this podcast. We just did it for us for fund run well yeah but the whole world of podcasting is you know how do you make money at it and it's the people who go out there and push push push and then you know act like an eh party last night yeah a lot of producers and directors and the Guy who wrote had theirs in Batman to Dan Waters was there and guy he's working on Unicorn the new show coming out but everybody we were just talking about dogs and kids in although it's hard to also jam in your pitch in the middle of casual conversation. I'm not good at that like I also have this screenplay. I'm working when people are just there to have normal conversation. It's let's go. I've I've known the people who were pretty famous. You know in the industry and I met them through. I didn't meet Your Business. I met them through social. Things like our kids knew each other stuff like that and I always realized there's a line you don't cross there. There's Times you talk business with people and you picture projects and you talk to them and there's other times. They don't want to hear that because that's what they hear all day. They WanNa be normal people. They WanNa talk about their kids. Do you WanNa talk about whatever yeah talk about food. Whatever anything but the job right and I had friends as we continue to go out you know so and so. Could you put in a good word for me. I you know I'm doing this and have no no that's not that's not what our relationship is about relationships. We're France and that's I got so much more out of getting no people and when they realised you weren't out to get anything from them. They become different people all right. You know they know they can relax. They can be themselves and as a result I feel like I really got to know a few people that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten to know and again. It comes back to the factor. Just people people like you and me to get work at some point too so you you just started pounding the pavement on your own on your own time getting your own gigs that way okay and then you have then. You don't have to ask these people well then. They appreciate the fact you come to them with a body of work. I love that expression because none of us know. We have a body of work. You know one day hey we turn around and we've just done all the stuff you know and if you go to somebody and you show them what you've done they respect that because that speaks for itself now did any of these friendships with these. Mekki Max lead to eventual work on occasion on occasion yeah very tangentially. Actually it's like somebody they would go. Do this is my friend so and so and he's looking for somebody do such and such you know and then something would come out of that word again. Yeah I mean again. It comes back showing up one of the things you do you meet people you talk to people. You put your work out there. Make sure people know what you are doing for example right now. I will point out one of the things I'm doing is. I've been writing books have been writing murder mysteries for the past few years doing well with it to their on Amazon on name a couple of them so we can see Tony. Gleeson is the author Tony Gleeson to East L. E. E. S. O. N. At this point probably the best ones to get. I've been published in this country country by wild side press wonderful wonderful publisher of mysteries in science fiction and the most recent one that was published. This year is called. It's her fault and the other frank. It's it's two books combined in a what they call omnibus. I love that my books have all originally been published in Great Britain Britain. I've had seven of them. Two more will be publishing up in the next year to come They're a little harder to find and I'm delighted to while side picks them up and publishes them here. That's awesome. It's her fault about the title not really but why is it just kidding. I love that people people without knowing anything about article. Why the Hell is it. Her phone women's live but the funny thing is this is a series of of of books that that all have the same basic characters they're they're. They're a group of detectives detectives in a West Coast city which goes unnamed and this particular Berkeley at this.

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This particular book is about a detective named Frank van. De graff while I liked because he's a very stoic guy. He's kind of just seen it on sick of it. All just has a very good sense of humor summer and he's he's approached by a a very pedantic pressure at the local university who is kind hi to based on people. I know and Guy Claims his wife was trying to kill him and he doesn't believe it and one day they find him. He's dead and he's got a note on his justices. It's her her fault so he's going to try to find the guy's wife to find out what happened and wife turns up dead with a note on her chest that says it's his and then it goes from there. That's cool so this is unraveling ahead a lot of fun working out we were we're driving up to L. Bronte as a matter of fact one one day to visit our our number one and my my wife and I my wife and I worked out the plot to this on the way driving up the five. We had a lot of fun going over the talking about how this this book will work out and everything and I wanna get home. I started writing it. That is so cool. How do you do mystery. St Work from do you you discover as you go or do you work from the implant in backwards kind of both kind of have an idea of where it's going to go but it's funny when you serve writing first of all your characters actors if you've if you've established them off they took on a life of their own and they go where they want to go you know so. I I originally invented this cast of characters because the very first book I wrote was called night night in his and I figured won't happen if if eight people died in one night you know how people deal with that so I drew out a little a little map of this city and I said okay he he does here. She dies there. Blah Blah Blah. How do I connect them. What's going on. What do they have. What's the connection. How are we gonNA tell us all together and then I thought okay how many characters am I going to need to deal with this so it came up with three detectives who because one isn't going to be a recovery at one nine and so show was born detectives and so was born my city and so was born all of these you know with this particular book. I kind of had to work backwards words but at the same time I was working forward because it okay. What would these detectives do next? They find out this point now. What would that lead them to so in a sense. I'm working out now as I'm going along but I know where I'm going to end up you know and the the books that followed a some of it was I came up with the concept. Okay such and such happens and then I thought okay well how we gonNA come behind this. How Are we going to stumble upon this in in the process of writing things change which you know as you're writing something you go now. Actually that wouldn't work as well as I thought it was. GonNa work. Originally I wanted to go here but that's not going to work said it's gotTa go here and the process. The whole thing works itself out and you. It's like painting a picture in your rating rate and all of a sudden. It's finished. You know you paint picture on. It tells you it's done well. How did you get it published. What were the steps to shop it around after you wrote it or okay okay good one again footwork I- Britney some years before and I sent them to send people sent them to people and you get a lot of rejection action slips query letter just random publishers. You respect Lakers it through connection or both both I would send things called people I would ask people to refer me to somebody. what happened was. I connected with somebody who was a publisher who she she no longer an active the publisher but it but she's been a publisher for many years and we've got to be good friends and she suggested I try sending my work to this guy and the UK. It turns out. He was very interested. He was very receptive to the first book. I sat him elected a lot. It got coalition and he say what else you got so I I started writing more of them and he is the is what time we were finished. He bought nine books from me and then once they republcian Lucien. UK and there are a little hard to get there my my original friend came back. We'll suggest you talk to wild side press because they might be very interested in reprinting these because I had all the rights to the way this worked out was this. UK publisher bought one time rights to use the books and I had all the I. It was really good really really good setup because I still had all rights to do whatever else I wanted with them. So that territory that region and then you were elsewhere in particular kind of book they did a lot lot of like large print publishing things like that so they had a niche publisher so is small published but it was it was a foot in the door now now. I've got these things so now I came back to wild side and I and they were interested and they they contracted to publish six of the original books and they publish them in three three do so far they published four of them to on the bus additions to two and I have a contract hopefully next year they'll publish the third set of to guide and then and then we'll go from there.

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Let's see what else we can get for you. How does Amazon do you like working with him. I don't directly work with Amazon Zahn. They Amazon works with the publisher. That's nice. It's kind of a nice thing. If you're if you're it yourself publisher and I know an awful lot of writers who do self publish then you you have to do all that work and you have to do all arrangements with Amazon but instead what I do is a I work directly with the publisher and they do all those other ancillary things so far. What what I'm hearing. Is You are a person that is a go getter. You believe in just waking up and doing it. Can I tell you also. I'm GonNa tell you what you told me this morning you. You said I listened to your podcast. I just love that you guys are doing something. You're doing it in your active and you said I really respect people who are out there being active with their work. There's a way to do this. You know there's no secrets. Nobody's found a genie with a magic lamp. I mean maybe maybe if you were born to some multi. T- millionaire in the in the film business you'll get an in ninety nine percent of us are not GonNa do that ninety nine percent of his especially today where we live in a digital digital world where there aren't people who are coming in at a higher level than other people were all coming into the same level and the consumer who is basically we're. We're all trying to reach is hearing everybody at once. There's no tricks to this. All you do you just keep going out there and kill out there and somebody hears. You hear somebody hears you there. Are Somebody picks up your book. Dare somebody sees your film there. Somebody sees your your artwork here and little by little I mean that's the only way I see this working is that you gradually gradually gradually accumulates followers and there's no there's no secret formula. It's but you get up and you do it and you and you don't. I don't have any great expectations you know. If you come home at the end of the day nothing's happened. Okay you. Just get up and do it again. The next day and that's all any of this can do you now. What was your quote. It was success is loving no luck is when opportunity means preparation like that and dd now discredited Woody Allen says eighty five percent. Whatever of success is showing up. We know he perhaps showed up some of the wrong places yeah but but you know the rule the rule applies yeah ah you know and I love the fact you guys doing this. If it was a very naive start we just jumped in one day honestly zero preparation and figured out how to stick stick it out there on the Internet this podcast and it was on the after the fact a few more episodes in that I started researching it and seeing what other podcasters were doing and then Kinda went. Oh Shit we're supposed to do this first and then we're supposed to do this and we don't have this equipment and Ono but we rolling at that point you start to have incentive to figuring out and our first episodes are pretty embarrassing and some of our audio schlocky still but you know what we're getting out there and which is right now on your phone whoopsie oopsy. There is just a big motorcycle that perked next to us. I mean what are we supposed to do but we're here that you know what I mean think about some of the schlock movies that got made in the sixties sixties that are now in the Museum of Modern Art all of Roger Corman or I think about a night of the living dead piano plan nine from outer space now people think of visas classics where the B movie of podcast what about the fanzines you know people have put our genes for what for decades and there are actually people who are not collecting getting those mimeographed Zine you know and they they they're classics in eleven would did yeah well hopefully before we die. I hope we get a year or two to enjoy joy are a great success in the sun but but defected matter is production production values don't always translate to to to good would quality. There's a lot of really high high end movies that are you know they're just more saying you know. There's a lot of high end music. That's just more for the same and some of the really good stuff it's being done is being done by indies you know by people with hand. Held cameras are what hand held microphones or you know. They don't even have about Tony to look how passionate he is. You've been in this world along time the world of the world of craziness and and you're still excited in passion gene in and you know more than most people who are young about. I mean you are tapped into currently what's going on in music and our try and it really yeah. You're passionate about all this. Well now the thing I love. Is You use Pacific League. I've only made I've only had the pleasure of meeting meeting his mouth for the first time but I am I am well familiar with Ms Means and the thing I love about you is that you are I like to call you an old soul in a young body because because you're you're aware and you're open to things that happened years ago that some people of a newer generation maybe they think the world began when when they became aware yeah whatever which is a shame.

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I mean I did that. I did with my own generation as well and and I love the fact that maybe I would like to think I'm a young soul in an old body so we have our body in an old soul young body we meet somewhere in the middle all you need somewhere in the middle and it all happens because we can share things you know and we can both learn from each other and I think I think that's what keeps me going is just the day to day. I can't hat learn is today that there's no purpose to to being here anymore. That's yeah I I love that. That's wonderful. It's it's true just enjoying going life having the Gusto and and finding new you know what I think is the most important thing in the world in the world. Whoa please tell me ready dinosaurs. Tell us your obsession of a dinosaur look at his shirt. Has What is it distance raptor raptor say well. We'll take that would be good to take ten others love to send me what the goal nerdy shirts. I've got all these great great nurtured but you I have seen so many dinosaur illustrations and what is it that you love so much about them. I don't know but what what Whoa you're talking about. Is I carry around a sketchbook with me which I termed the Sunday Morning Sketchbook. I draw in it on other days besides Sunday and what happened was I was kind of in an artistic doldrum a few years ago and I found out that if I just carry it around a really cheap notebook with me with lines on it and I used the cheapest pen I can find it wasn't a scary thing you know. No pressure. A blank piece of paper is one of the scariest things in the world. There's Nice Clean Pristine thing I are teaching. What's told me step on step on a clean sheet of paper because then it won't be won't be as intimidated blank page for writers. Also no use expensive tools because you go. I can't mess this up so I we. I just started drawing and found like a really healthy. I would just let my wrist go. I wouldn't even let my brain guidelines risk and it did this amazing profound things. I suddenly my drawing ability got better you know when I when I start when I sat down really do like really serious drawings. My hand was just free to go. I didn't get scared so occurred around his sketchbooks for all three or four years. I'm on the eleventh one now and what I do is a a scan the pictures which are very in quality some I think our dynamite so might think are well. Maybe not so good but what I dude. What is it I put them on social media. I put them on my facebook page and I've done that for a few years now and I've actually gotten a little kind of a fandom from this. It's The Sunday morning sketchbook and anybody WHO's interested they're interested can look me up on Facebook and they can. They don't have to friend me. Tony's and ESPN will link up all your stuff to to our show nuts so tonight have a public page call Tony Gleeson illustrator which is art work and and stuff about my books and we went to you're showing in Pasadena where you were showing your what what would you describe it. As are you talking about the I went to many things of years. You've been a marvelous supporter of me. You did the Halloween so you had Frankenstein's. I was involved in a wonderful art mash up last year. It was the anniversary of the publishing of Frankenstein and little women and there is a wonderful woman. That's really really imaginative. Creative woman who curated the show and got a bunch of artists to get together and we did mashups of Frankenstein and little women you know and you can just imagine somebody crazy ass shit you can do with this and I I did a drawing of Joe March which the the little girl reading the first edition of Frankenstein with the Frankenstein's monster looking over her shoulder and I post I posed myself as as the Frankenstein monster and I had my granddaughter pose as Joe March and I made her into like a Victorian outfit. All everything and we had a great time with it. We did a hall photo. Shoot and is just we all had a great time putting this thing together it was awesome. Mom came to to to little mom shout out and Pechiney all right now. Is there anything that you want to you want to do mouse. I want to hear if you have any friends celebrity stories. I'm always like I go to the Basic. I love the celebrity stories any good you don't.

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wanna comes to mind and this isn't really all that greatest story but I said we knew people because we had kids in common on and off for a while we were good friends with who are like wonderful wonderful people and they had kids who were in preschool with our kids and they're just the most generous wonderful people imaginable and they would have birthday parties and things for all the kids that were in in a in a in a preschool and everything and one of the things we did we ought to we went to a birthday party. I think it's one of our kids at the Glendale Center Theater and L. They would have these specials where you have kids theater in the round and they would do some kids play and then they would call kids down for their birthday so actually came with her daughter to this and it was very instructive to me because I couldn't believe how many people wouldn't leave her alone. I mean I I really got an insight into this really downside to being a famous person. I couldn't believe how rude people were. You know people will just come up to her and show them an autograph book interface ago. I want a picture with you. Come on you know because she's just sitting sitting here. Trying to enjoy this with the rest of US became to realize you know there are people that don't draw the line and remember. I said earlier these were people were friends of mine and I drew align and we that was where we stayed was was in this life as Co parent at parents who could share experiences as kids or whatever I was just like there's so many people that don't they can't. They have no limits. I am surprised I'm surprised that happens here. Even think everybody any kind of understands everyone's in the business and kind of leave each other alone but maybe it would happen in another city. If if we're to visit another city people would I think this is a big reason why people who are famous tend to we think of them as being cloistered because they kind of want to hang out in their neighborhood or whatever but are realized no that's that's kind of so yeah yeah see it all the time as much as I'm in the film and TV world. They'll still will be the celebrity person who's in the room on the film set and you can work with these people every day but there's a different shift or if you get too close if you're sitting next to him at the Sandwich Sandwich stand you start going so ever tell me about you know and just say yeah interesting how the idolization has has happened and I feel funny now. Now I realize I I'm sorry I've mentioned the my name but it was. This was many years ago. Our kids are all grown and on occasion. We have contact with one another number very cordial but we're not you know. We don't really see each other anymore and it's it's kind of something I remember. An ex treasure was that I got to know these people as as people on his friends I if you live in. La It's kind of funny you know I mean I was sitting on a beach in Malibu. One day and somebody walked by very famous and we just have to talk you know he's just a guy lived there and that's what we did. We just talked about guys you know and then he walked on and that was it who was it you don't. WanNa say disappointed. I feel I feel Kinda. You'll shine Panam again with and but but you mentioned them in a good light so you're saying really nice thing about and just commenting on celebrity culture it is it's nuts right anyway and I but I I do feel kind of I think about I do feel self conscious about that because in a sense I'm kind of doing what I just accused other people doing you know but but I have yeah I mean you live in. La With supermarket and there's somebody pushing a cart somebody from a television show and in some you know my daughter. The younger worked in a yogurt place in Silverlake and there were people would walk in who are very famous. You know wanted to buy thing a yogurt they didn't want to be they didn't want to be hounded right. and it's it's a tough thing because some of these people can deal with it on a yeah. I'm just another person high right and some of them. It's very easy to think of them as being standoffish or being uppity but they're not there. I mean I I see what they had to deal with. y'All yeah and this is this is just this is. This is the only way you can deal with it is by is by putting up what somebody might think waller something because they just they don't know I'm. I'm has improved you. People out there. You don't know somebody's GonNa do anymore and has gotten crazier and crazier and crazier and these people they don't owe anybody anything I mean there are allowed to live their lives the way they want to so to feel like you know attacked when they go to the grocery store and then you know maybe guilty. I know they just interviewed Taylor swift because she's coming up on turning thirty and when she was young and I starting she would put her whole life out there for everybody and then she realized people just consume her and want more and more and more the kind of take her down and now at thirty. She's finally putting up walls and realizing.

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I don't owe anybody anything. I need to isolate myself a little bit and have my own life and you know it's got to be an interesting kind of coming of age aged for celebrities as they move up the ladder and yeah so the downside of that is they can't be normal people because his except for other people who work with them in their industry. Nobody treats them with normal sees this last night. We're around all these monkey the people it's such a whatever term but that was what you said that's great it. Which is what did you say last night because you haven't hung out with. Maybe these people's much what did you say. I don't remember what you said. It's so weird that these people are just normal people like that was the reiter era of Batman and it was a normal day. We talked about right yeah. It's just like any other person you mean. Obviously I mean stars. They're just like US yeah. But why did you say that like what was the epiphany there because you really were kind of like blown away. You also drinking a lot so that could have been a no. I don't know I I mean I didn't know what to expect going here. I just Kinda went in with a naive again not knowing the business or anything and I'm just your buddy at a party and so oh I'm not just talking about soccer and kids and you know. Do you play nine versus nine eleven versus Lebanon. Oh I had t manager to what now how do you do that. Oh here's so I am you know giving advice to someone and then here later that he worked on this movie in that movie and I'm like okay. I don't know whatever my epiphany was. It was just that it's just you know it was interesting. She's just people as people love people so another funny story. I was at a party wants and they had a a Ben and Jerry's series of what a cart you know and there are some famous people at this party and I was standing in line with share and we talked about ice cream nice so I went into work the next day I said hey you know what I was at this party. Last night I was I met share and they went wow. What did you talk about ice cream and they were like lame. Oh what what what is the matter with you. You talk about ice cream. I said well what else was supposed to talk about. We're standing there line. We're GONNA get ice cream and that's what you wanted to talk about. I mean what else am I gonNA talk about. You know it's cool that we don't care about celebrity and every scream to I don't even remember I just remember. I was surprised that she was shorter than I did. I would have thought you would have been. Maybe they always. Sushi seems like such a powerful big bigger than life but you know you know I mean and I'm I'm no different from anybody else awestruck for a moment oh boy this is the same person I was like back to talk. You know most sweet. She was very nice. You don't incidentally people like that. Who are well-known need. They've some of them can be really really nice very polite gentlemanly or ladylike to use old fashioned terms terms and it's just you know. I met the Dalai Lama. We talked about Mozzarella in tomatoes. Wow did you really make the Dalai Lama. I did see now. This is the celebrities New York. I worked as a cater waiter and I think I was working for Harry chip. Yanni the guy who had the restaurant a strong Ribas of the World Turn Towers in so it was his catering company said we'd always end up downtown at the Wall Street the Old Stock Exchange building on Wall Street and that was a lot of these huge parties. You know you'd rent that space. In it was Richard Gere the Dalai Lama had just flown in and it was all benefit to raise many for something that was important which I can't remember it was in two thousand ninety nine or something right yeah and Richard Gere spoke he was by Eddie's remember when there was a lot of Yoda's and he had just flown in and I wasn't. I'M A- I'm a professional sneak. You might not have known this but we weren't allowed go we all do our ID thumbprints. It was a big. I've done this for Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. They have bomb dogs that come in so they did the same thing and all the people who are the cater waiter had to show it diedhiou the thumbprints so we did the dogs e-eh yeah. That was the strange sniffing Clinton's. He sniffed your client anyway so worried about saying the to read. I don't know what is now. We can cut this part out but anyway yeah so you weren't supposed to so we were all all the Katie leaders. There were like a couple of higher ups you know the people who had been there ten years that were allowed to do the VIP catering but I did a little sneaky sneak when I saw that nobody Dell's doing that.

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I'm like I got to meet the Dalai Lama. This is the and I was all into meditation back then and all that so I snuck in I just brought in the tray. I was like hi. How are you a new sitting with his arms behind his head. Does just gotten in from. I guess he was in exile. I just flew him. Boy Are my arms tired. Sorry sorry this is good. Yes just in from Chicago. Oh Benny Goodman. What is this Benny any hill one liner Guy Henny Youngman. Thank you yeah anyway yes so I just served my tomato and Mozzarella Lilla balls and sticks and then I said. How are you feeling very tired very tired? Oh you a lot of traveling yes and then that was pretty much and here. I go well. Why don't you take a nap. Oh thank you so much. I will sweet whatever that was it like that by Winston. Is I made a dynamite the thing with tomatoes and Mozzarella last night as you are almost like the Dalai Lama I I could only aspire to know where to begin no no. I like to cook so I made this this vegetable thing last night with thumbing Zucchini. IMC garlic and then you mix mix it up with a lot of tomato paste and then you put Mozzarella on top of it. You just cook it right. There in the Pan always great die for it was wonderful. That sounds great. This is an entree chicken and a two. I should mention you know I left out the important part yeah so if you buy one of Tony's books maybe a painting you also make it a little. Zucchini tomato based Hors d'oeuvres on the side. So you know you never know you'd Never Know Handwritten and signed recipe card. Perhaps could be the bonus all right guys. We're closing out here. We go. He's been a great pleasure. Thank you for having me. I love you Sanford sitting out at this lovely sidewalk and enjoying a Sunday. I you know what what could possibly what could be better than sitting with the two of you with this beautiful day and how we feel the same way agree. We we love you. Tony Gleeson Tony Gleeson folks by don't isn't it great. He's so nice really liked him. I learned a lot. I thought that was really cool for anyone out there wanting to write something published something straight. Take your art to the next level yeah he it was a great resource and please check out all of his website stuff and facebook will link everything in our show notes like. I said and yeah well. I hope up to see him again and meet more of your friends on that level. We can do little olive him. we'll put some pictures to on our on our social media's detainees. Ah The nerdy shirt. He was talking about that as kids. Get Him Yeah. It's kid it has to do with dinosaurs dinosaurs occuring theme. Okay Tony. Thanks for being in with US and please. You know check them. Out can't know more about this lovely human being yep support a good guy. Okay we approve and us and we love view. Thank you for listening always writing in and being our POWs and we WANNA be your friends in your ears to be her pal uh-huh right have a great one!

E60 – Interview: Tony Gleeson, Illustrator, Author, Wise Young Soul
From a sidewalk café in Atwater Village, Los Angeles, meet the well-known artist Tony Gleeson. Hear his inspiring story, starting as a young student with dreams of becoming an artist, to a full-fledged professional in Hollywood. We learn about his evolution from illustrating gentlemen’s magazines to sci-fi comic books to creating storyboards and posters for movies including Spike Lee’s. He is also a man of mystery – mystery novels! He describes his process of creating stories and of getting them published, giving a clear path for hopeful writers. And his advice for budding artists is key. Tony is one cool cat and we know you’ll love him as much as we do! Please follow his work:
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